Legendary film-maker Ken Russell is in the studio with Mark Kermode recalling his love of music, which inspired such films as Mahler, Tommy and The Music Lovers as well as many television documentaries.
Meanwhile, in the adjacent studio, musician Robert Ziegler is also talking about Ken's love of music...
Can Ken hear what they are saying about him? Can they hear what Ken is saying about them?
Producer: David Roper
A Heavy Entertainment production for BBC Radio 4.